丁田洋雪 发表于 2012-1-9 10:07:53

任何生物的发展都是向这一个方向发展,说白了就是传宗接代。无论是什么菌种都是往这个方向使劲,早产不好,晚产也不好,就是掌握一个度,菌丝刚长满你直接就用,发育好了吗?长成熟了吗?到达最佳的生理周期了吗?<br/>判断一个菌种的好坏3点,种性、活力、纯度,每个菌种的种性都不同,出菇方法也不同,同一种菇的根据生产技术的不同出菇也不同,就像金针菇,就分搔菌法和死亡再生法,有的菇可能不需要后熟,我想只是后熟时间的不同。我之前也说过,后熟应该是在比原温度降低的情况下进行的,其代谢活动缓慢的进行,不至于过熟,本来30天就长满了,非得在同一环境再培养10~15天,疯了?<br/>还有一个问题,就是关于菌包,现在谁敢证明菌丝长满外表面了就是菌包完全成熟了?完全成熟的概念现在有个标准吗?

实说 发表于 2012-1-9 10:15:27

田鸿 发表于 2012-1-8 23:27:28

<font color="#0000ff" size="4"><strong>菌丝后熟的“理论”很能麻痹人。<font color="#ff00ff">首先要搞清楚</font>,<font color="#ff0000">菌丝后熟的标准是什么?菌丝中的养分积累量?菌丝量?激素积累量?有效积温?还是其他的什么指标可用来划分菌丝成熟和后熟的依据?</font>生物学最基本的道理,生长繁殖是生物的四大基本属性之一,吸收营养,生理成熟就要繁殖后代,如果到了该繁殖后代的时候,因为种种原因导致这个行为延迟,结果就是要么营养被过分消耗,要么就是繁殖能力或后代质量下降,在食用菌生产中就会表现为产量降低和质量低劣。以香菇为例,脱袋过迟,菌棒过熟将导致第一潮菇大量出现畸形菇,造成减产和劣质菇,严重影响商品菇的产量。所以,不要被貌似有理的东西把自己搞糊涂了,做生产,搞清楚使用品种的种性很重要。</strong></font>

刀郎 发表于 2012-1-8 23:41:31

<a href="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/2012182341212214.bmp" target="_blank"><img title="dvubb" border="0" alt="按此在新窗口浏览图片" src="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/2012182341212214.bmp" onload="imgresize(this);"/></a>从图片上来看,最多只是一般的轻度杂菌感染,由于感染轻早期表现成隐性,菌种不纯带菌,后期产生拮抗反应而已,如果取扇形菌丝转接,不含杂菌,且多次转接均生长成扇形菌丝,我认为扇形菌丝变异的结论下得太轻率。如果感染部位吐黄水,我们能直接就下结论发生了菌丝吐黄水变异吗?

香菇人 发表于 2012-1-8 23:45:19

<h1 style="MARGIN: auto="auto"0cm"><font face="宋体"><font size="4">呵呵<span lang="EN-US">.</span>你的水平真不赖<span lang="EN-US">.</span></font></font></h1>

刀郎 发表于 2012-1-8 23:52:08

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>香菇人</i>在2012-1-8 23:23:47的发言:</b><br/>
<p><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=";" mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt" ?Times mso-hansi-font-family: Roman?; New? new="New" mso-ascii-font-family: mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>就凭这一点</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" Roman?; New? mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA? FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;>.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=";" mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt" ?Times mso-hansi-font-family: Roman?; New? new="New" mso-ascii-font-family: mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>就可以知道多次号称天下第一液体种的水平了</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" Roman?; New? mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA? FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;>.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=";" mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt" ?Times mso-hansi-font-family: Roman?; New? new="New" mso-ascii-font-family: mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>笑笑而己</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" Roman?; New? mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA? FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;>.&nbsp; </p>
<h1><font size="3">努力吧<span lang="EN-US">.</span>距天下第一还远哩</font></h1></span></font></div>
<p>谁号称天下第一液体种了,你血口喷人哈,拿事实说话,老靠想象的东西支撑不了你的名头。</p>

香菇人 发表于 2012-1-8 23:52:14

<font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">什么是桔抗</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New="New"Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA" lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">上一个照片</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New="New"Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA" lang="EN-US">.</span></font><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2012-1/20121823513072989.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2012-1/20121823521163533.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

香菇人 发表于 2012-1-8 23:54:15

<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New="New"Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">真菌与细菌的桔抗</span><br/>

刀郎 发表于 2012-1-9 00:02:31

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>香菇人</i>在2012-1-8 23:52:14的发言:</b><br/><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=";" mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt" new="New" ?Times mso-hansi-font-family: Roman?; New? mso-ascii-font-family: mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>什么是桔抗</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" Roman?; New? mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA? FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;>.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=";" mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt" new="New" ?Times mso-hansi-font-family: Roman?; New? mso-ascii-font-family: mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>上一个照片</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" Roman?; New? mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA? FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;>.</span></font><br/><img title="dvubb" border="0" src="http://bbs.emushroom.net/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" onload="imgresize(this);"/>此主题相关图片如下:sam_0656.jpg<br/><a href="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/20121823513072989.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="WIDTH: 500px" title="dvubb" border="0" alt="按此在新窗口浏览图片" src="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/20121823513072989.jpg" onload="imgresize(this);"/></a><img title="dvubb" border="0" src="http://bbs.emushroom.net/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" onload="imgresize(this);"/>此主题相关图片如下:sam_0661.jpg<br/><a href="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/20121823521163533.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="WIDTH: 500px" title="dvubb" border="0" alt="按此在新窗口浏览图片" src="http://bbs.emushroom.net/UploadFile/2012-1/20121823521163533.jpg" onload="imgresize(this);"/></a><br/></div>
<p>拮抗反应由于双方种性不同差异很大,表现多种多样,你这种拮抗种性相差小还只是“人民内部矛盾”。<br/><br/></p>

香菇人 发表于 2012-1-9 00:04:36

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>刀郎</i>在2012-1-8 23:52:08的发言:</b><br/>
<p>谁号称天下第一液体种了,你血口喷人哈,拿事实说话,老靠想象的东西支撑不了你的名头。</p></div>
<h1 style="MARGIN: auto="auto"0cm"><font face="宋体">你好好想想吧<span lang="EN-US">.</span>你在什么地方说过<span lang="EN-US">.</span>我是直接听多人说的<span lang="EN-US">,</span>而且不止在一个公司说过天下第一液体菌<span lang="EN-US">.</span></font></h1>
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