还是我1977 发表于 2010-12-24 10:37:17

<font color="#05006c">转载<br/>从“三千越甲可吞吴”看诸暨人的悍勇</font><br/>早在距今三四千年前的诸暨,曾经是古越国的首都,从历史来看,它是长江以南中国半壁江山上最早曾存在过的影响最大王国首都之所在。<span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: black" lang="EN-US" Times="Times"Roman?; New="New"mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体?>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%"><font face="宋体"><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 历史</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">流传着这么一句话</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">:</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">三千越甲可吞吴</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">。</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">说的</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">便</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">是春秋越王勾践卧薪尝胆</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">之史实,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">而这史实</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">与</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">诸暨人有着</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">密不可分的</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">渊源关系</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">越国</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">的</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">主要领地</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">乃是</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">三江流域</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,即</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">现在的钱塘江</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">岷江</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">和现诸暨市境内的</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">浦阳江</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">也就是说</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">越国主要是由现在的杭州人、绍兴人、诸暨人组成</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">。这点上来讲,我们并不怀疑,因为从现在城市文化与经济的发展来看,我们是远远强于杭州和绍兴的,全国县市百强县市的排名便是最好的证明。吴灭越</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">后</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">越王勾践收残兵</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">于</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">会嵇</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">后越王兴兵复仇</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">越王勾践曾经献美女西施于吴王夫差</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">西施也是诸暨人哦</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">也就是现在诸暨市区浣沙村附近</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">。同时</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">越王勾践也有可能是诸暨人</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">只有诸暨人才会生的出这么强悍</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">英勇的王来。因为</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">诸暨人天生强悍</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">好斗</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">,</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">天生就是作战的天才</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">。</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">只有诸暨人才能以三千之众打败吴王十万大军</span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">。<br/></span><span style="COLOR: windowtext; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH" lang="ZH">诸暨人一直保留着古越人的某种血统,好胜好斗,大大咧咧,又能兢兢业业,勤勤恳恳,守护这片有着几千年文明的土地。</span></font><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: windowtext" lang="EN-US">
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李永国 发表于 2010-12-24 15:34:46

这几张老照片够珍贵的了,77哥是名有心人,哪掏弄来的?看了这几张老照片有一种古时自然美的感觉.......

还是我1977 发表于 2010-12-24 16:21:05

<img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/201012241621320568.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/201012241621397502.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/201012241621377678.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

还是我1977 发表于 2010-12-24 16:29:43

<div id="read_38233080" class="f14 mb10">那时的天很蓝,水很清澈.人很淳朴. </div><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/2010122416294141000.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/2010122416294133542.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-12/2010122416294113719.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

还是我1977 发表于 2010-12-24 16:36:06

<div id="read_38233089" class="f14 mb10">从几张站着摇船的人看,那时绍兴农村的男人其实并不矮,反而都比较高,可见,当时吃饭问题不大<span style="DISPLAY: none">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;<br/>同样在绍兴农村,恰恰是五六十年代出生的那批男人,个子都比较矮,估计是吃不饱吧<span style="DISPLAY: none"> <br/></span>结论,由于太祖精力放在了ZZ和整R上,解放后一度过得比解放前还** </div><br/><br/>

还是我1977 发表于 2010-12-24 12:41:46

<h1 id="subject_tpc" class="read_h1"><span></span>上世纪20年代绍兴的老照片</h1><br/><br/><br/>

loong 发表于 2010-12-24 13:55:42

呵呵,现在长三角有几个人是那个时候留下来的啊,大部分都是外来人口,历史上迁来迁去的大迁移多了,尤其是长三角,谁知道谁是哪里来的人,<br/><br/>徐姓起源在徐州,徐文长的祖宗还是从徐州迁出去的呢,呵呵

福建老菇农 发表于 2010-12-24 18:07:17

看到这些照片,就回想起我和老伴曾云游过绍兴,特地在孔乙己酒家里嚼过茴香豆,“不多也,不多呼哉”,品尝过绍兴红酒,瞻仰总理故居,回忆起中学课本《故乡》润土,看社戏的情节。

李永国 发表于 2010-12-24 18:14:33

1977,连黄老师都到你的地盘来扯了,你是怎么欢迎的?快倒茶,说两句!呵呵

高山流水 发表于 2010-12-24 18:52:45

77摘菇去了,还没吃饭呢!
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